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  What Some Loyal JW's Are Saying About The Oakland Case.

  by Bangalore in

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  form the pro-jw site jwtalk.

  this is such a ronald mcdonald court case.

  i can't believe what i am reading.. lie: "the lawsuit alleged that watchtower had a policy that instructed elders in its jehovah's witnesses congregations to keep reports of child sex abusers within the religious group secret to avoid lawsuits.".

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  Doubting Bro

  Well, this piece of scum was convicted in 2004 for yet another molestation and is listed on the CA sexual predator list. I agree that he should have never gotten out of prison because he's just going to offend again. But, at least everyone around him knows that he's a predator and won't be allowed near kids by certain institutions (the WTS not being one of them at this point).

  It's not really a trade-off but 2 separate issues. The police are investigating the Conti case and hopefully they'll be able to put together a good enough case to get a criminal conviction. But, even then, I think the law is way too soft on these folks and they'll be out offending again. I personally think they should have a life sentence because of the point you inferred, that pedophiles don't EVER stop offending.

  But, I'm not sure why you think that the victim pursuing a civil case is somehow preventing the criminal investigation? The police are the ones driving the criminal investigation not Ms Conti. The only thing Ms. Conti had within her power was a civil suit. So what was she supposed to do? Wait?

  The WTS needs to do the moral thing and WARN members in the congregation when they have a convicted sex offender, NOTIFY the police with full details (not call from a pay phone and provide the least amount of information possible which is what the WT lawyers advise elders when they are in a mandatory reporting state).

  I really hope this verdict causes them to change their policy to favor the alleged victim over the alleged abuser.

  The only thing the WTS (and many other institutions) cares about more than its reputation is money. Now, they're looking at a hit to both. Hopefully, they'll do the right thing.
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  What Some Loyal JW's Are Saying About The Oakland Case.

  by Bangalore in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  form the pro-jw site jwtalk.

  this is such a ronald mcdonald court case.

  i can't believe what i am reading.. lie: "the lawsuit alleged that watchtower had a policy that instructed elders in its jehovah's witnesses congregations to keep reports of child sex abusers within the religious group secret to avoid lawsuits.".

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  Doubting Bro

  It seems to me the main objective here was to get the WTS (and other religious institutions) to do more to protect kids from this sort of abuse. Even the Boy Scouts and Penn State are facing similar issues. You can't convict a corporation of this sort of crime, but you can punish their lack of reasonable action via the civil system.

  Bottom line, entities that are given trust such as religious entities, youth organizations and schools must do everything in their power to protect kids. The WTS has shown that they care more about their reputation than they do about their children.

  Even if this verdict is overturned on appeal (which would mean there was some sort of technical error made by the trial judge) I think the jury sent a loud and clear message to all these organizations that this type of behavior is not tolerated. They must do everything in their power to protect children and warn parents in their congregations and people in the community about the abuser. This individual was going door to door under the direction of elders who are directly appointed by the WTS.
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  Reduction of Announcements

  by wisdomfrombelow in

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  starting the week of september 3rd they will cease having local announcement as part of the service meeting.

  is there going to be a much reduction of the letters sent to the congregation?

  will everyone be expected to read the bulletin board to know what is going on?

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  That still wouldn't limit their liability because they would still have JC's, find out about abuse and fail to warn anyone. The only way I can see them limiting their liability for rank & file pedos is to eliminiate the whole JC structure. There's no way they would do that because then they wouldn't have any hammer and lose complete control.

  They'd still have liability for elders/ms but you're talking about a much smaller pool of people.

  Then again, I'd would have never thought they would eliminate the book study or quit charging for literature either.

  This is very strange. Wisdomfrombelow, what's your source?
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  Interesting Commentary in New Statesman Article About Candace Conti

  by DT in

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  here is the article http://www.newstatesman.com/blogs/world-affairs/2012/06/secrets-and-lies-have-no-place-when-dealing-child-abuse.

  here are some quotes.. "jim mccabe, a lawyer for the jehovah's witness congregation, said that they plan to appeal the decision, contending that kendrick was just a member of the north fremont congregation, not a leader or pastor.

  he said: "this is a tragic case where a member of a religious group has brought liability on the group for actions he alone may have taken."".

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  I agree with the author. Too many times in the past, organizations have chosen to cover things up rather than stop a sicko from harming kids because they're worried about their reputation. Look at the RCC and the mess it's in over this stuff. Not just the pedophile issues but that butler being charged with theft over the leaking of documents showing corruption. And, with the Penn State/Sandusky trail, this issue is even more in the news.

  It's especially angering to me and to most people when organizations that are supposed to be looking out for your best interests engage in this type of behavior.

  Religious organizations need to put a stop to this vile behavior! I always thought that the only way you'll get their attention is via a civil suit with a large judgement. Well, I guess not only the WTS but other religions have just received a big wake up call.

  This isn't about holding the WTS responsible for the actions of one of their members but rather holding them responsible for THEIR INACTION in giving the most basic level of protection to their members and to the public at large. This scumbag was and maybe still is going from door to door.

  How much you want to bet that other religions will be filing "friend of the court" briefs supporting the WTS position on appeal? The only thing organized religion cares about is their pocketbook.
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  Link to trial documents?

  by sir82 in

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  please excuse my laziness, but there's so many posts on the subject....i've seen screen shots of some of the trial documents but i don't know where they came from.. i would like to see a link of where to get the whole thing, if possible.. .

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  Greetings from Candace Conti

  by AndersonsInfo in

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  candace asked me to tell you thank you for all your kind expressions of support.

  this really means a lot to her.

  she wants you to know that she is coping well with all the stress and excitement, even though she's had years of anger and frustration because of being abused for so long, first by the molester, and then by the wt.

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  Doubting Bro

  Candace,

  You are a brave, strong woman. Your fight was not just for yourself but for all the other victims as well. I hope the judgement gives you a measure of peace as well as helps others realize that you can come forward, you can fight and you can win.

  All the best to you.
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  Watchtower found guilty ruled to pay 7 million to 1 victim? wow

  by yourmomma in

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  is this recent?

  http://www.silentlambs.org/oaklandlawsuit.htm.

  i havent seen anyone post about it, the link has a pdf on it of the court documents, and it looks like the stamp is from 5/12 but its blurry.. .

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  I'm sure they're going to appeal and then try to settle for something less than 7m. It's not the money that is the problem but the bad PR. I'm shocked that they didn't get this settled out of court.

  I will be bringing this up to my wife. The punitive award again will largely be symbolic and may not stand on appeal but hopefully the mainstream media will pick this up. Especially with they Sandusky trail going on right now here in the US (a football coach charged with sexually abusing disadvantaged kids and the university he worked for accused of covering it up). I've heard many comparisions between Penn State and the Catholic Church and other religions where the organization hides wrongdoing for the sake of its reputation. I think the common person is getting sick and tired of this and wants to punish those institutions for putting it's PR over an attacked child.

  by their fruitage, you'll know them - yes WT, we know you!
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  I didn't get to play School Sports :-( ...did you?

  by tresdecu in

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  just started watching 'friday night lights' .... great show, but it's making me a little bitter!

  17 years after high school, i am still bummed i didn't get to play football or baseball.

  i knew my elder dad would get busted from the others in the elders club.

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  Doubting Bro

  NO, I was also part of the Caleb class. However, my kids do participate in extra curricular activities. I think they teach such great lessons about winning, losing, working with others, supporting others, and trying your best.

  Interestingly enough, my brother (who is a current elder) allows his daughter (a pre-teen) to play soccer. I'm thrilled that he is doing that but have no idea how he hasn't been deleted.

  I will say that I've had numerous JWs who know my kids participate approach me with questions and want to allow their kids. Almost to a person, these folks are born-ins who didn't get a chance to participate in things they would enjoy. The advice I've given is to all them to do it, just don't advertise it.

  Now with only 1 meeting night a week, it makes it much easier to find an activity that doesn't conflict. Sure beats Family Worship (tm)
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  Any reaction from active JW's about the Sparlock training video?

  by UnConfused in

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  are jw's all abuzz about the "blessing" the gb has given them in the form of this new training video?.

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  LOL @ respectful_observer. Brilliant!!
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  SPARLOCK has been banned on YOutube!!!!!

  by usualusername in

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  all the videos have been taken down by the watchtower!.

  yikes.

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  Doubting Bro

  I'm shocked it took them this long. They're not going to be able to put the horse back in the barn now.

  I wonder if South Park would be interested in doing an episode on our buddy Sparlock??

  I'll bet the open mocking of their hard work has to be burning up the folks at Bethel. LOLOLOLOL

  You guys did a fantastic job with this. I've been keeping up with all the Sparlock threads and tracking on twitter & facebook. On twitter, this thing is starting to get picked up by what appears to be folks that have no previous experience with JWs. What a fine witness indeed!

  LONG LIVE SPARLOCK